[Complaint] Immaturity and poor roleplay

Edit: Removed some lines taken out of context pertaining to Dark's authorizations.

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I got on today because there were about four people on. Those four people doubled to eight, then again to sixteen- but after a while, mostly because nothing was happening, the server dwindled down to about four people. Cosmic's announcement (and I'm not blaming him for any of this) that the trial of Lewandowski and Tarh was to take place on Saturday at 8PM GMT probably contributed to this decline as well, as I'm sure more than a few people - myself included, at least for a while - believed that we had sufficient numbers/the correct people to carry through with it. We were mistaken, however, but most of us were content to passive through it.

What followed was a series of events best described as complete and utter bullshit. Feel free to correct me on the specifics, but I think I've captured the attitudes of the people involved fairly enough.

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With only one marine online (the number may have been a bit higher, but I could only account for one marine), David Heinrich's character - apparently a special forces badass with an SAS uniform and a robotic arm - began stalking the hallways with a laser-sighted bringer of death. David will have to elaborate on the roleplay himself, but as far as I'm aware, his character got into an altercation with one of the marines, which was (probably, at least- I could only hear every other line of OOC through the walls of my office) slated to end badly. Soon afterwards, either by coincidence or design, both Spartan and one of the lieutenants got online and confronted David. David did not like this one bit; Shadow took his side. David was removed from the roleplay, complaining about Spartan being a metagamer and what-not. The roleplay was seemingly voided. Spartan seemed upset, and rightfully so: regardless of why he came on, he intended to roleplay. David denied him this opportunity.

Shortly thereafter, Spartan's character decided to speak with Shadow's character face-to-face- a proposition that Shadow's character disagreed with. As Kovalev (Spartan, for future reference) and his team of agents began to gear up to enter Lowe's office (that's Shadow, also for future reference), Shadow informed all of them that a bundle of seven high-explosive grenades had been placed near the entrance of the door, and by opening it, they would all detonate, spewing fire and shrapnel and spelling death for anyone nearby.

David immediately took Shadow's side, claiming it had all been roleplayed in advance. Spartan, rightly skeptical of this, asked to see the logs of the roleplay. None were provided. Myself, JGar (whose character is a Logistics Specialist- a position uniquely qualified to comment on the matter), and several others pointed out to Shadow and David that no HE grenades existed on the ship. David contended that they had been smuggled on-board; Shadow concurred. Dark suggested that the record was incomplete, and that the absence of frag grenades on the list of the ship's supplies did not necessarily mean that there weren't any. Spartan countered with the fact that he and several others had drawn up the list of the marines' supplies in exactitude, and that the absence of HE grenades meant just that. After a back-and-forth about whether or not HE grenades actually existed on the ship, it was decided that the grenades were simple flashbangs. Shadow immediately began to claim that they would still shoot shrapnel, and that the concussion would knock people over; Spartan explained that flashbangs are specifically designed not to do that.

Throughout this dispute, Shadow did nothing but insult and vilify Spartan and his fellow ONI roleplayers. David did much the same. Spartan tried to be civil, but he had plenty of reason to be angry: Shadow and David had literally conjured up a deathtrap for him to walk into out of thin air, unable to provide logs of the roleplay, proof of the existence of the grenades, or any justification for their attitudes.

The flashbangs, of course, were ineffective against a team of highly-trained, heavily-armored ONI operatives (who were all wearing tactical visors to prevent this sort of this thing from happening), and Lowe was presumably taken into custody. This is where I stopped paying attention to the OOC fight going on: I was busy sneaking out of my office and into JGar's character's room, where I planned to continue passive RPing, and I didn't really have the will to continue arguing with people who clearly had no intention of playing fair of even thinking about the consequences of their shoddy roleplay. After a brief session of RP, I went to go eat dinner. By the time I came back, the server had been taken offline.

From reading the OOC chatter in my console, David and Shadow had apparently continued to heckle the ONI roleplayers. I didn't really understand much about what was going on, there - there was a lot of back-and-forth and neither side was making much sense - but the event logs and the IC chatter that I could hear next to me were far more concrete.

It should be noted that, before all of this happened, Dark stated in OOC that "no matter what happens, it's auth'd."

Someone, David's character had gotten into possession of a shotgun, and was firing upon Spartan and his cadre of ONI operatives. The firefight was apparently a mixture of shooting-to-kill and shooting-to-miss, which ended badly for David (Dark seemed to be conflicted on the issue, favoring shoot-to-miss but honoring the ONI's SWEP kill of David by claiming that he was wounded from the shot). Spartan informed David that the armor he and his men were wearing was practically impervious to shotgun pellets, as is the case with any modern-day bullet-resistant vest. An event was soon made to the effect that David's shotgun rounds were actually bored with high-explosives, and that every shell he was firing was exploding on contact, rendering the armor useless. There was a bunch of other nonsense after that, but I didn't really soak in any of it, and the server was crashed anyway, so I left. Nobody really knew what the hell had happened.

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Everyone's going to have a different take on this, but the specifics aren't really the point. The general gist of this is that all of it - yes, all of it - was complete nonsense. In fact, I'm going to make a list of how utterly moronic this all was:

• Why does Vance have a special uniform?
  
• Why is Vance roaming the ship killing people?
  
• Why is David doing all of this with nobody else online?
  
• Why are people making up what supplies the ship has?
  
• Why are people planting bombs to try to kill half the people on-board?
  
• Why are people refusing to roleplay when things go badly?
  
• Why are admins taking sides on issues?
  
• Why are admins so invested in the ONI/crew debacle?
  
• Why is Shadow so confrontational?
  
• Why is Shadow authing himself to do things?
  
• Why is Dark giving David/Shadow a "blank check" to auth whatever they want?
  
• Why is Spartan shooting up the server banks?
  
• Why are Spartan's ONI guys continuing to complain in LOOC?
  
• Why did Spartan and his team get on just in time to save the marines from Vance?
  
• Why are people making up roleplay on the spot?
  
• Why are admins acting so juvenile?
  
• Why is critical roleplay being done with about 10 people online?

The way this whole situation was handled was completely juvenile. Almost everyone involved, from Spartan to Dark, is equally guilty of the same crime: dipshittery. There is no reason why this roleplay should have occured when there is an event scheduled for Saturday to work it all out; there is no reason why admins should have taken sides when it did occur; and there is no reason why legitimate problems with the ship's power structure should be solved by one man running around like some kind of future Rambo. This deprives people of an opportunity to be involved, it glorifies your character above all else, and it makes a mockery of all the roleplay that's been done to get to this point. There's a lot of tension right now IC, and characters are rightfully catching flak for taking sides, but somehow the friction between the two groups has bled over into the OOC realm.

HE grenade traps? Exploding shotgun shells? SAS uniforms? Server bank explosions? Gunfights when less than 10 people on? Admin authorization?

You guys can do better.

I, for one, vote that all of the bullshit that happened today be voided, so the real roleplay - the trial, which will involve everyone on the server, in some capacity - can continue without this kind of stupid, feckless "prelude."

The "no matter what happens, it's auth'd." Was about RP that din't go through since the canteen was ambushed.

It was not about David + Shadow shooting you up.

I didn't get shot up- I was just a bystander in all of this, as a matter of fact. Fixed, anyway.

The whole situation went out of control after I left, a lot of people got banned.

At this point..I really don't know what to say on it Faust.

Spartan, myself, KC, Theo, Nightman, Rohane and probably all of ONI (I can't account for Isaac) have quit as a result of this numbskullery. I wasn't there for all of it, but I returned to Gmod with the intention of avoiding OOC politics entirely. The IC stuff? Fine, RP is RP. But the shit that went on while I was in the server alone was enough to make me angry at the situation. Pile up the other things I heard about on top of it all, primarily about [Redacted], and I frankly have no interest RPing at Jutland any more.

Something that I heard about slightly later, referring to plasma shotgun shells (wtf?) was a mockery of the technology that DK and I had agreed upon for basic infantry arms. As well as, hay, I'll say it. FUCKING PHYSICS.

But whatever. Me ranting and raving has little to no impact, as an argument on the internet isn't really an argument. It's just the other person yelling louder, and louder, until all one of their words are exhausted or they grow bored, and the other person is the 'winner'. Though who really wins with such a conflict is utterly beyond me. High blood pressure can't be a victor, guys.

Anyway. Best of luck to Jutland. May you flourish - don't expect me to hamper you in the slightest.

-Officer Onehoof.

I could write another long post, but I really don't want to waste my time.

I came back for the same reasons you did. I wanted roleplay; I didn't want this OOC bullshit. I figured Jutland would be a good place to avoid that, since it's event-based and made up of (mostly) competent roleplayers. I'd been having a good time until the Ambiguously Retarded Duo decided to fuck things up. I don't want any of the people you listed to leave, because I was having a good time roleplaying with them, and without them, the event I was looking forward to - the trial, which would probably be a lot of fun for everyone involved - won't be able to happen. We'll be back to the same, boring bullshit: dodging asteroids, slingshotting black holes, breaking the laws of physics, and so on, while David and Shadow ramp their overpowered characters through increasingly ridiculous situations.

I wish I could convince you guys to stay, but if you've made up your mind, so be it. Backing out of an interesting roleplay because of a couple of chucklefucks decided to ruin it is lame, but when those two chucklefucks are admins, there's not much you can do.

Here, I believe, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened, today. For your first point, no. I did not void the roleplay after Spartan and the other ONI had gotten on-I voided it long before that. We then began speaking in LOOC, and after around 2 minutes of that, the ONI showed up. It was stated long before they came, in LOOC, that I was no longer IC and that the events had been voided.

Shadow's grenades had all been roleplayed in advance, yes; that's why there were props set up several hours in advance. I don't tend to save logs of every roleplay I've ever done. Do you? I think it'd be quite a bit to organize. A shotgun that shoots explosive rounds is no less realistic than an armor with an attached electromagnet that acts as a shield against all ballistic fire. In fact, it's quite a bit more realistic. Here, have references.

The line about "No matter what happens, it's authed" was not a blank check, it was him informing them of the fact that we'd discussed exactly what I was going to do before I did it. I then proceeded to do exactly what I'd claimed I would do; past that, I was not roaming the ship killing people. They were coming near to the area which I was in, the area I'd been around for several days. It was a chokepoint.

So, let's examine your points.

Why does Vance have a special uniform?
SO uniform. Honestly, I kinda just ended up setting it up one day by accident. It's never been terribly important, and I've never done anything out of the ordinary with it. If you'd rather, I can say that he never had it and set my model to the security riot one; no difference will come of it. I apologize for this.

Why is Vance roaming the ship killing people?
Didn't kill anyone save the ONI who I was defending from. The situation with Theo was voided completely. At no point did I leave the engineering deck, in character; again, except for with Theo, at which point I only went down the stairs and intended to go back up shortly after.

Why is David doing all of this with nobody else online?
I wasn't. There were at least 5 ONI online, with a marine along. They were instigating it. That was all their party had, in character; there was even another marine, a Gunnery Sergeant, who they threatened to kill instead of ordering to come with them. If you'd like me to wait until more than 6 ONI get on, ICly, it's going to be a while.

Why are people making up what supplies the ship has?
I don't know. Why did Spartan do that?

Why are people planting bombs to try to kill half the people on-board?
Because those people were coming to kill them.

Why are people refusing to roleplay when things go badly?
I don't know. Why did Spartan do that?

Why are admins taking sides on issues?
Because that's what administrators do. They look over an issue and take a side on the subject-that's like asking why a judge delivers a verdict.

Why are admins so invested in the ONI/crew debacle?
Because it threatens to destroy the entire ship, and all attempts to stop it are met with the thought that is IC, while all IC attempts to stop it are met with OOC complaint.

Why is Shadow so confrontational?
I don't know. Shadow can answer this for himself, if he'd like.

Why is Shadow authing himself to do things?
He did not. I authorized the grenades in his office.

Why is Dark giving David/Shadow a "blank check" to auth whatever they want?
He did not. We discussed specifically what was authorized beforehand, as stated above.

Why is Spartan shooting up the server banks?
A good question; you'd think he'd at least want to disable them without destroying them, but hey, it's IC. I've got no complaints, there.

Why are Spartan's ONI guys continuing to complain in LOOC?
I don't know.

Why did Spartan and his team get on just in time to save the marines from Vance?
I don't recall this happening; the only people I fired upon, ever, were ONI. Vance had no intention of firing upon marines not with ONI, as he'd been specifically requested not to.

Why are people making up roleplay on the spot?
I don't believe I did this. Most of our roleplay was planned in advance. If your complaint was not levied towards me, I apologize.

Why are admins acting so juvenile?
Because most of the administrators are in highschool. They are, quite literally, juveniles.

Why is critical roleplay being done with about 10 people online?
It was simply something that managed to happen with only 10 people online. Everyone who was doing it was there, but I understand the frustration; I apologize for it.

Overall, I do apologize for what occured on the server, but this does not mean that I find what Spartan and the rest of ONI did on it acceptable. The items I was using had been planned out, and authorized by administration beforehand. As for Vance himself, he is a physically unhealthy person with a large amount of emotional issues. He was a demolitions expert who was wholly mediocre at SEALS marksmanship. I do not find him to be overpowered, leastwise when compared to armor that was literally impossible to harm through use of any ballistics, but I suppose that is my opinion.

[OOC][DiC]Spartan 5150: Dragon, I'm done with you Neither you nor Heinrich know a single fucking thing about firearms or how primer works. You are both absolutely sickening as story tellers and Dragon you are only admin because you offered up a box. If y
ou were any more useless Your mother would have aborted you.


This is not a thing I find to be acceptable when said on the server.

I apologize to you because you were caught in the middle of this. I admit my wrongdoings, and apologize for having done them; but this does not mean that I do not still believe what the ONI on the server did was wrong.

Edit: I apologize for half of the questions I asked. Most of them were facetious or irrelevant. I don't really care what model David used; I don't know why Spartan shot the server banks, and I don't care about that, either; and I know why Vance was killing ONI agents. My larger point was this: why is the roleplay suddenly about shooting each other? What happened to the player dynamics- the politics, the interaction? David and Shadow's little one-off with the explosive shotgun and hand grenades reduced all of that to a fucking SWEP battle.

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Shadow's grenades had all been roleplayed in advance, yes; that's why there were props set up several hours in advance. I don't tend to save logs of every roleplay I've ever done. Do you? I think it'd be quite a bit to organize. A shotgun that shoots explosive rounds is no less realistic than an armor with an attached electromagnet that acts as a shield against all ballistic fire. In fact, it's quite a bit more realistic. Here, have references.

But the point was that there were no grenades on the ship. Okay, you set up the props in advance, but that doesn't mean anything, because the grenades physically did not exist on the ship. No, I don't think it's reasonable to save logs of everything, but when you're dealing with a situation that would very likely end/nullify a significant amount of roleplay - in this case, the grenades would have killed Kovalev and probably several of his companions - I would think it prudent, especially for an admin, to have at least some record of the roleplay, or some third party to verify that it did happen. As it stands, Spartan and his fellow roleplayers were pretty put-off by a bomb that seemingly came from nowhere. As to the second part of your question: this is not a game of one-upsmanship. The armor is canon; it was written up by the administration and is posted for all to see. Your frag-round shooting shotgun, by contrast, is not listed anywhere, has no place on the ship, and (as with the grenade trap) appeared to Spartan to be conjured up wholly out of thin-air.

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Why are people making up what supplies the ship has? I don't know. Why did Spartan do that?

Because that was his job? He drafted up the supply list for the marines. It is exhaustive. If it is not on the list, the marines do not have it. The list of supplies for the crew is far less so, given the nature of the roleplay (you can't account for every single datapad), but anything terribly important was listed under the list of supplies for the ship's security team. Explosives, frag-round firing shotguns, and all other sorts of nonsense were not listed.

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Why are admins taking sides on issues?
Because that's what administrators do. They look over an issue and take a side on the subject-that's like asking why a judge delivers a verdict.

Why are admins so invested in the ONI/crew debacle?
Because it threatens to destroy the entire ship, and all attempts to stop it are met with the thought that is IC, while all IC attempts to stop it are met with OOC complaint.

You misunderstood my first question, I think, but it ties into the second one, so it doesn't really matter. There are two factions in the roleplay: the ONI and the crew. It seems to me that admins aren't judging sides based on merit, but rather on what side their character falls. This is especially flagrant when you look at David and Shadow: at no point did they ever stop to consider Spartan's view of the roleplay. They conjured up bombs for Lowe, frag-round firing shotguns for Vance, and proceeded to use them to hunt down and kill the ONI roleplayers. This did not generate roleplay; this did not further the plot. All this did was start a bunch of bullshit, make a bunch of people leave, and get the server taken down.

The ONI/crew issue was set to be resolved on Saturday. As admins, the roleplay should be put before everything else. Vance, his "emotional issues," and his special forces training should come secondary to the good of the server. That did not occur: instead, he took it upon yourself to end the confrontation right then and there with a combination of shoddily-written events and poorly-justified exotic shotgun rounds. This did nothing for the server. All it did was make people angry.

Your authorizations fell in line with your IC motivations. You authorized Shadow to have bombs because that would accomplish your character's goals; the "administration" authorized your stuff because they're on your side, too. Like I mentioned above: the admins are far too involved with the ONI/crew roleplay, and have done nothing but tear the server down via party lines, alienating those who aren't on your team.

They all quit.

Congratulations. You win. Is that what you guys wanted?

I'm not going to try to justify what Spartan said- it was hurtful and hateful. But in the larger context of things - the events of the roleplay an hour or so ago, and the general attitude towards the ONI ever since they began roleplaying - I have to say that I share his frustration. You say that you "don't believe what the ONI did on the server was right." But what exactly did they do? They've been given nothing but shit ever since they began their mutiny, both OOCly and ICly. The latter, they can take; the former, when it bleeds over into the latter, is just fucking frustrating. They've been dealt bad hand after bad hand, and have done absolutely nothing to deserve it.

Spartan did not flame Shadow. Spartan did not try to kill his characters with invented explosives. Spartan did not teleport himself out of harms' way. Spartan did not try to avoid roleplay. Spartan, Onehoof, and the rest of the ONI guys came here to roleplay- but all they got was a bunch of bullshit from a pair of administrators who can't seem to separate fact from fiction and don't know the meaning of the word "objective."

It's disappointing. I wanted to enjoy this roleplay.

I can't put it any more eloquently then Faust has.

Shadow, I won't apologize for what I said because you drove me and a bunch of people who have contributed a great deal of writing and other work to Jutland and had hoped to watch it grow away from here. Your behavior in the onset was fine and we got along great until your character became the focus of IC scrutiny and it turned into an OOC dislike on your part and you directed it at myself and the people with me. That sort of behavior is unacceptable from an admin but that's already been made clear.

If anyone wishes to speak with me further I can be reached on steam as Spartan5150.

I don't feel the need to contribute to a wall of text battle I've participated in enough of that at TnB.

I was not hunting down and killing ONI operatives-you've said this several times, and I've already told you it was incorrect. I attempted to stop Theo the first time when he was near where I was staying, and left when complained at. The second time, the ONI were coming to me. In fact, ONI were hunting for both Vance and Lowe-this was stated several times by them, in character.

As for the equipment, I believe it can be viewed under your lens of bias. Spartan was the one who drafted up the supplies list; it seems obvious that he had a bias in doing so with his further plans. There were grenades on the ship, held by Vance, Lowe, and in the armory; that we were not informed about the supply list being set up, by Spartan, was not our folly, in my opinion. As far as I recall, Spartan and ONI were attempting to claim that they had a gunship. This was listed on no known roster and authorized by absolutely nobody.

I authorized Shadow to have bombs because I believed it made in character sense for him to have done so. He planned and planted the trap a long while in advance; you are severely overestimating the power of the explosives. In all likelihood, it would have killed/severely injured the first one into the door. Kovalev was ducked behind the wall, and likely would not have taken a severe amount of damage. As for my "Side", as you're calling it, I was authorized to have these things because I informed administrators that I had them beforehand and was authorized for them, same as Gaunt and his armaments. Spartan volunteered to write up the supply manifest, but I don't recall him volunteering for that. The fact that he was not informed of the equipment I had was regretful, and I apologize.

Spartan did flame Shadow; that is a fact. The proof is right there, in my former post-I consider claiming that he should've been aborted to be flaming.. Spartan tried to kill his characters with invented firearms. I did not teleport myself out of harm's way. I did not try to avoid roleplay. They all come here to roleplay, and it was what they received; that it was not to their personal liking resulted in abrasive action and ended in sadness. I fully know the meaning of objective, and I have always found it to be utterly impossible; if you are objective on a situation, you do not know enough about it to make a judgement. It is the nature of humans to judge situations and give their judgement. So, no, I do not feel I was objective in this situation.

I'm disappointed myself; believe it or not, I legitimately did want everyone to enjoy this roleplay.

To be clear, I was informed (wrongly I discovered) that there was a Gunship aboard, after DK cleared that up we decided to move to the pods. I don't wish anyone to put statements out that are false on my behalf. I get enough of that elsewhere.

At this point in time I have no intention of continuing to associate myself with the Jutland RP community, nor do any of my aforementioned associates. I'm not going to take the time to categorically respond to each point raised by Faust, no matter how valid many of these questions may be, as I do not see the point in entering into an argument in that form. I will, however, give you a brief analysis of the events that took place as they were perceived by the individuals that make up ONI.

I logged into the server towards mid-day with the intention of initiating a series of succinct, and hopefully, constructive roleplays with the various characters stranded throughout the ship. Rhydain Suffoc can attest to my intentions as he was the only individual that I encountered prior to my meeting with Heinrich, and the ensuing escalation. After briefly speaking to Suffoc in his cell, I began to make my way back towards the command deck, as my character is marked as the ONI operative with the most technical expertise, and would thus be tasked with the maintenance of the ship in loo of the various detained crewmen, a task which was, I admit, extremely inefficient as a result of this man power deficiency.

I was making my way down the command deck when a brief staccato of bullets screamed over my characters shoulder, some accidently striking him, but that was not to be considered IC. After a moment of confusion, it became clear to me that Heinrich had chosen to initiate contact with my character for some reason that left me bewildered. As a result of this, I felt compelled to question his intentions openly via local chat, as it seemed likely that Heinrich was unaware of the exact circumstances of the Jutland if he was willing to undertake such a brazen attack. Heinrich seemed to believe that assaulting a representative of the commanding authority openly on a populated deck was something that he could easily get away with. my rebuttal being that the ships Marine contingent is currently fully mobilized to counteract such threats, and impede the movement of the crew until the current crisis is resolved. Heinrich eventually told me off for spending so much time discussing the circumstances of our roleplay via local chat, which I would consider a valid critique, and discontinued this roleplay.

Throughout this engagement I was in constant contact with my associates in ONI through the mumble server that we share, and they too were appalled by the idiocy of Heinrich's action. As a result of these sentiments, most of ONI hopped on to the server to enforce the consequences that I had referenced to Heinrich in loo of our, unfortunately, inactive marine contingent; however, the incident had been mostly resolved between me and Heinrich by this point. Unfortunately, the arrival of my associates in ONI would allow the further escalation of this situation due to the actions of Heinrich and Shadow.

Having fully mobilized the Jutland's ONI detachment, we decided to seize this opportunity and undertake a number of operations on the ship to solidify our control. Unfortunately, Early on in this undertaken, the leading members of an ONI breaching squad were ambushed by a number of alleged high explosive grenades. We immediately dismissed this roleplay as nonsense, as within our ranks we have some of the individuals who are the most qualified to comment on the munitions and supplies on the Jutland. Indeed, our leader, Spartan5150, was entrusted with the ability to write a number of documents that were approved and implemented into the servers lore including, as it pertains to this topic, the Jutland's supply manifest. I have taken note of a number of claims, that suddenly appeared only after this information became available, that the opposing party managed to smuggle a large supply of grenades and weapons aboard the Jutland prior to the ongoing crisis. Doing so would be virtually impossible for a number of reasons, mostly the fact that EMMI, who was acting under only her base protocol's during the period in question, would have detected such an act, and no doubt would have put a stop to it. In addition, It seems unlikely to me that such a thing would have evaded the detection of the rest of the crew, not to mention our ONI representatives. Thus, we talked them down to the usage of ordinance that they technically could have acquired, however unlikely, that being a number of flash grenades.

Regardless of the munitions utilized in this scenario, it represented an IC escalation that could not be ignored by our ONI detachment. Thus, we made our way to the bridge, where we encountered Heinrich and Shadowdragon. Upon reaching the bridge, we immediately started to attempt to disconnect EMMI from the bridge, which Heinrich claimed was impossible. Maybe it was, but I don't really care either way at this point. What I am concerned about, is the unprofessional and woefully hypocritical manner in which these two administrators carried themselves throughout this period. As we attempted to interact with the various inanimate interfaces of the bridge, we were barraged with a long line of idiotic and expletive ridden messages from Heinrich and Shadowdragon. As if this was not a concern in its own right, a number of ONI operatives, including myself, had the audacity to question Heinrich and Shadowdragon, and I even suggested that Heinrich was being at least marginally hypocritical in his actions, as he himself had given me an ear full earlier in this episode for questioning him at length in local chat. Unfortunately, the administrators in question possessed the ability, and lack of intellect, to kick me for questioning them in regards to that.

After this, We had reached a point where we had more or less decided that we were done with Jutland roleplay, as we saw no future for ourselves partaking in a roleplay that would provide patronage for individuals like Heinrich and Shadowdragon. Thus, we did a number of things that were perhaps ill-advised, although ultimately harmless, including the destruction of the server banks and a number of interfaces on the bridge. After that, We proceeded towards the rear of the ship, where we were engaged in a brief firefight with Lowe and Vance. Contrary to a number of comments made in the past, Vance did, in fact, fire the first shot.

Following this, there were a number of other incidents pertaining to the immaturity, idiocy, and inadequacy of the offending parties, but a lot of it didn't sink in for me. I do know that they made a number of bizarre claims about their backstory, and the technology of our lore, to support their claims, that was clearly made up on the spot.

Jutland was an excellent idea for a roleplay community, and I truly believe that the future of gmod roleplay, at least for those of us possessing a suitable number of neurons, lies in roleplays of a similar structure; however, it will not be practical until it is done with the right people at the top. I have a great deal of respect for many of the people in this community, and wish them only the best. I hope to encounter you in other roleplays in the future, perhaps even a project that myself and Spartan are currently working on.

Auf Wiedersehen.

As a very simple note I feel the need to make, as I've said before, no, I was not using plasma. There is no plasma shotgun; it is simply not a thing that exists in the Jutland canon. I was using FRAG HE rounds, which are things that exist today. I acquired authorizations for these; that Spartan was not informed was regrettable, but I was never told that informing him was something I was expected to do.

As for your own point about what I was doing, we are both aware that I acquiesced to your complaints and informed you that I was fine with voiding the roleplay long before ONI came on; claiming that I left only because they had come on is chronologically unsound. I would like to see actual quotes of the insulting and flaming that I and Shadow were alleged to have done; I've provided you with a quote of Spartan's insult, so I believe it's only fair that you substantiate your own claim.

Oh Jesus Christ, this is bad folks.

Although I was not on or connected to the incident, I heartily condemn it; it's clear it's left a lot of people very upset, angry, and disillusioned with us.

My message is simple: don't lose hope. The events that transpired will be investigated, the perpetrators will be punished accordingly, and we will take steps to make sure it never happens again.

Please, don't lose faith in Jutland because of this. We have a tonne of ideas, concepts, and things we want to do and implement; and we don't want anyone missing out! I'd appeal to anyone upset to speak with me, and we'll help fix this mess up.

First on the agenda, the voiding of this RP. I think voiding this RP is a reasonable, rational step towards trying to ensure that the discomfort afflicted will be repaired.

This argument is all immature and both sides are at fault.

The thing is:

Spartan is taking Jutland too fast. Sure, IC is IC, but attempting to mutiny the ship and complaining every step of the way when you don't get it right is basically saying that it's ten days from Christmas and you want a toy train, your parents will buy the train, but instead you steal a train and drive it into a massive factory full of ammunition and explosives.

David is doing David stuff. I'm going to be honest and say that he's pretty dumb sometimes and situations like these wouldn't occur if people just got along. I wasn't there to see it, but it appears as though David was late to the party. I bet he primarily became hostile due to past events he couldn't attend (aka mutiny).

Why can't we just come to a community resolve? Why is it limited to the decisions of the people who were involved? I wasn't involved in any of this, but it seems stupid to leave a community over.

Lol'd.

ShadowDragon wrote:

Lol'd.

^

And slowly, Jutland descends into madness.

Both sides were at fault here in my opinion. It's just another example of the infighting getting out of hand and these situations need to be contained in the future if this community wishes to survive.

Spartan and Co. made a big deal out of wandering into a trap when they could've just RP'd it and been injured. I don't understand why you state that there would be no grenades on the Jutland when you have a unit of marines on board, one of which is even designated as a grenadier. I understand that the grenadier uses explosives that are mainly fired, not thrown, but still. Grenades are pretty standard for any infantry unit. I can also attest to this trap being set way ahead of time. Days actually. Lowe had warned my character a few days back to not go into his office due to it being rigged. Which is something that makes perfect sense for an individual who is being hunted, and honestly I'd suspect that highly trained ONI operatives would've suspected such a trap.

As for Shadow's behavior, I agree that it was a bit out of line and he handled it a bit too impulsively and he should avoid acting like that in the future. I also understand where some concerns about where David and Shadow's gear came from, and the fact that there were claimed of the grenades being HE, but I don't see it as being much worse than an armed and armored group of ONI operatives popping up out of nowhere.

All in all, both sides are over reacting and ultimately acting childish in my opinion. This all could've easily been resolved in a calm fashion but instead you allowed it to devolve into what it is.

^ Sounds about right. I just have a tendency of handling things in the eyes-for-an-eye method.

This is being resolved by the administration and those responsible will be punished accordingly. Do not leave this community over a small problem that can be easily resolved.

...Fuck.

EDIT: Seems I got confused, not sure what to do here, really. Apparently we didn't get shore leave after I was told that we did... So... Yeah this really doesn't make sense now.

Right, I thought I should give my point of view on this matter anyway, despite it apparently being resolved.

First off, I was on the server until about 10 minutes after the flashbangs went off through the hallways. I do admit, I did make the silly comment of semtex being the weapon used, but anyway, the idea of weaponry onboard the ship without being in the log, is that while we were on Fate ICly, Shadow and I seperately purchased registered weapons, though we weren't able to RP this due to there not being an actual place for us to do the RP.

However, the DMR that I had was auth'd by Cosmic, during the first mutiny where I 'landed' the ship on Berui. This was taken by Shadow for 5 minutes before he returned it where I proceeded to leave it in, as I call it, 'my room', until we headed out onto the surface of Berui where it was then confiscated by Gaunt in an IC confrontation. I was then given a security rifle by Shadow as a replacement until my DMR was retrieved from the armoury (It never was).

This all happened before the return of Kovalev, which I also admit to ICly calling, 'Kocklick' over the group chat/radio/intercom. It has been RP'd that we have interacted in the past and obtained these weapons, though the confrontation itself where we obtained the weapons could not be roleplayed due to us not having the assets to do it. Also, the DMR was ICly purchased by Artyom as protection for the bridge and other ship related assets. Cosmic ICly knew about it and also knew why I had it.

I ranted on a bit too much and this probably doesn't make much sense, but anywho, that's what I know of, not much on the rest of the situation.

tl;dr

I got shot. I am a very sad marine.

tl;dr I'm going to make my own thread, and it's gonna be ten times better. With strippers, and my own complaints about the situation.

Nevermind the strippers.

Also Marine Shields. >:O

I dunno guys, but we really gotta kick things back into gear. I don't want to see Jutland go down again. It will be confusing with those who just quit, yes. I suggest the admin team get together and decide on what the IC resolution was and we get right back to it before things get worse.